Oh yeah, I'm totally going there.

[NukeTheEmus]

So, do you guys believe in a historical Jesus?

It's been my opinion that there was no historical Jesus for a few years now. The miracles, life, and death of Jesus all have parallels in Egyptian, Greek, and even Aztec mythology. This, coupled with the fact that in one of the best documented periods of ancient history there are no contemporary reports of this, supposedly, influential Rabbi, leads me to believe that, at the very least, the issue of whether Jesus ever really existed is a subject that deserves some consideration.

[Froberg]

I think some bloke named Jesus ran around at that period.

The dividing of the waters has been explained by a vulcanic eruption, so he was just lucky I guess.

[Anonymous]

I think some bloke named Jesus ran around at that period.

The dividing of the waters has been explained by a vulcanic eruption, so he was just lucky I guess.

That was Moses, you tard.

[NukeTheEmus]

I think some bloke named Jesus ran around at that period.

The dividing of the waters has been explained by a vulcanic eruption, so he was just lucky I guess.

Actually, Yeshua was a common name back then, so there was probably more than one bloke. :P

[Pingree]

I think some bloke named Jesus ran around at that period.

The dividing of the waters has been explained by a vulcanic eruption, so he was just lucky I guess.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

@Ober-

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Froberg]

I was trying to generalise about christianity in it's entirety.

[naimex]

i believe that Josef intoxicated Maria, fucked her brains out, and claimed he had nothing to do with it, so Maria in her insanity from all the drugs saw angels and some fat man in the sky, and accused him of being the father, and then one little feather became 5 chickens and a bowl of nesquick cereal, and then some people came by with some gifts for the baby thingy and then the story goes.

There was a Jesus, and I think he and his apostles ate a lot of weird mushrooms, and i think his preachings was the things he saw whilst lying backdown in the cameldroppings..

he didnt see pink skies or pink elephants or martians...

he saw angels and a fatman in the sky.

And in his struggle to find a strong fatherfigure in his life, since josef was a little pussy, he looked and looked, and just fell down in the pool of his own sadness, until he got so wasted, he saw the fat man in the sky, and called him daddy.

[Siege101]

There was a man named Jesus back in the day who really existed. Wether he did or did not perform these miricles is debated. What is known about him is that he was good man and he did exist according to Roman records.

[Yeyende]

And youve read these "Roman Records"?

Jesus lives down the street from me. Jesus Gonzales. Hes a construction worker.

[Augustus]

i think he existed...

but the biblestories have been written several years after...
and it has probably gone the same way as what happens when you whisper a sentence in one's ears and that whisper makes a round...

So, in my opinion, he existed. However, the miracles never happened. Those are just stories blown out of proportion or totally imaginary.

(if i hurt anyone in his beliefs, i'm sorry)

[Siege101]

And youve read these "Roman Records"?

Jesus lives down the street from me. Jesus Gonzales. Hes a construction worker.
The Romans were very good at keeping records of many things. For example there was really a Pontius Pilate who was a governor of Judea at that time. Probably his people recorded events and etc of Jesus and his trial.

[NukeTheEmus]

There was a man named Jesus back in the day who really existed. Wether he did or did not perform these miricles is debated. What is known about him is that he was good man and he did exist according to Roman records.

There are no contemporary records of his existance.

[Siege101]

There was a man named Jesus back in the day who really existed. Wether he did or did not perform these miricles is debated. What is known about him is that he was good man and he did exist according to Roman records.

There are no contemporary records of his existance.}
I believe the Roman historian Tacitus was one of them that said something about Jesus.

[Yeyende]

And youve read these "Roman Records"?

Jesus lives down the street from me. Jesus Gonzales. Hes a construction worker.
The Romans were very good at keeping records of many things. For example there was really a Pontius Pilate who was a governor of Judea at that time. Probably his people recorded events and etc of Jesus and his trial.

You missed my point. Yes, Im sure they were very good at keeping records, but are you actually aware of any records that exist about him/have you read them?

[Siege101]

[quote="Siege101"][quote=Yeyende]You missed my point. Yes, Im sure they were very good at keeping records, but are you actually aware of any records that exist about him/have you read them?
Me no but many of my religious friends and people who make it a hobby or mission to know these things knows what im talking about. There are also some good DVDs that describe them. Some you may find at the bargain area of Best Buy. Ive seen it allover the ones near me. Its Called. "Jesus. Did he really exist?" Movie plus a documentry.

Also you have to consider that his crucifiction and teachings was a big thing and it passed down and down by the people who crucified him. Once Rome turned Christian they had no problems cruicifying (so to speak) Pagen Rome. Also you have to think of it like Homers stories which were passed down and wernt written. It will be rembered for centries. To be honest there is probably a higher chance Jesus existed then the city of Troy due to the fact that in the time of the Romans people had a habit of writing everything down.

[Yeyende]

You missed my point. Yes, Im sure they were very good at keeping records, but are you actually aware of any records that exist about him/have you read them?
To be honest there is probably a higher chance Jesus existed then the city of Troy due to the fact that in the time of the Romans people had a habit of writing everything down.

Uh....dude, Troy did exist.

[Froberg]

Yeah, troy did exist. :D

[Anonymous]

I believe the Roman historian Tacitus was one of them that said something about Jesus.

Well, he did say something about him.

"Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people called 'Christians'....Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate" (Annals 15:44).

The thing is, it seems that he didn't research that too well and was merely writing down what he heard somewhere. He didn't know Jesus himself, and didn't even know that Pilate was a Prefect not a Procurator.

It looks more like he asked around and got the info from a random christian rather than writing down what he knew to be correct.

[NukeTheEmus]

There was a man named Jesus back in the day who really existed. Wether he did or did not perform these miricles is debated. What is known about him is that he was good man and he did exist according to Roman records.

There are no contemporary records of his existance.}
I believe the Roman historian Tacitus was one of them that said something about Jesus.

Tacitus wrote of Jesus a century after his death.
So... as I said, there are no contemporary records of his existence. There are records of John the Baptist, and Pontius Pilate but no mention of Jesus by the Roman or Jewish historians.

[Siege101]

[quote="Siege101"][quote=Yeyende]
Uh....dude, Troy did exist.
Probably but how can you believe it existed in a time where no one really documented things instead of a man who's death would be fresh in their minds for centuries?

In truth the story of Troy could of been a myth, or another greek colony(which could of been Troy), or there were some ideas Troy was actually a vassel of the Hittites.

Also read this. http://www.missiontoamerica.com/history.html

This is for people with slow internets. Written around AD 90-95 which isnt too far from his death.
"Several copies of Josephus' Antiquities are available. The following is from an Arabic manuscript that became public in 1972.

"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. His conduct was good and (he) was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not abondon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive."*

* From "The Historial Jesus" by Gary R. Habermas"

[NukeTheEmus]

[quote=Siege101][quote=Yeyende]
Uh....dude, Troy did exist.
Probably but how can you believe it existed in a time where no one really documented things instead of a man who's death would be fresh in their minds for centuries?

In truth the story of Troy could of been a myth, or another greek colony(which could of been Troy), or there were some ideas Troy was actually a vassel of the Hittites.

Also read this. http://www.missiontoamerica.com/history.html

I'm not quite sure I'm following you. Archaeologists are currently excavating Troy... The story of Troy is most definately a myth, but it's existence is obvious.

But you know, you just said it yourself. This man was supposedly very iimportant, yet there are no records of his existence for atleast 50 years after his death.

Think about it, the Jewish historians have records of several other crucified men claiming to be the Christ, but none of Rabbi Jesus the Nazarene.

[NukeTheEmus]

"Several copies of Josephus' Antiquities are available. The following is from an Arabic manuscript that became public in 1972.

"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. His conduct was good and (he) was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not abondon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive."*

* From "The Historial Jesus" by Gary R. Habermas"

Josephus was born safely after Jesus' death, so he is not a contemporary. Everything Josephus reports about Jesus is hearsay from unnamed sources, and he is therefor not a credible source for the existence of Jesus.

Really all it would take to change my mind about this is one contemporary record that hasn't been forged. When they find that, then I'll cede the point that there was probably some guy walking around at that time period that the story, is sort of, in a round about way, based on.

[Primate]

I believe Jesus existed, I believe he was probably a very charismatic and intelligent Jewish carpenter/philosiphiser, and he probably went insane and convinced himself he ws the son of god. And so the story goes.